MākuSafe’s Brett Burkhart Joins Feed & Grain Podcast

July 20, 2022

Brett Burkhart, COSS and MākuSafe Customer Success Lead joined Steven Kilger on the Feed & Grain podcast to discuss how wearable technology is being used in the workplace, specifically how MākuSafe’s wearable safety device is individualizing safety for industrial workers across the U.S. and internationally. You can listen to the podcast here or read the transcript below.


Steven Kilger 00:01

Hello everyone, my name is Steven Kilger and this is the Feed & Grain Podcast. Today’s podcast guest is Brett Burkhart, Certified Occupational Safety Specialist with MākuSafe.

Kilger 00:12

MākuSafe is a wearable technology company that specializes in workplace safety. How he describes it in the interviewer is digital PPE, is a good way to think about it. We are going to talk about their product, just why wearable technology is so cool when it comes to safety, and what wearable technologies future might be in the workplace.

Kilger 00:33

If you’d have a guest or topic idea for the podcast, let me know we have a button on the feeding grain podcast page that will connect you directly to me. So reach out anytime and let us know how we’re doing or if you have any ideas are good guests that you’d like us to have on without further delay. Thank you so much for talking to me today, Brett. How you doing?

Brett Burkhart 00:52

Well. Yeah, it’s a beautiful day here in central Iowa, really enjoying the weather, finally coming around to the right season, finally getting the seasons in order and just enjoying all the outdoor stuff.

Kilger 01:01

Same here were your neighbors next door in Wisconsin. So we’re finally getting some of that nice weather as well. After a long, wet cold spring. It’s it’s nice. Yes. Good to hear. Excellent. So why don’t you tell me a little bit about yourself? How did you kind of what your background? How did you get into this industry? How did you get into selling safety products?

Burkhart 01:21

Sure, yeah. Well, as you’d imagine, not directly is a little indirect path there, but went to school for architecture at Iowa State. And then through my time in school, started a side business doing web application development, software development, ended up creating a company that merged together with Gabriel Glenn, who’s our CEO of MākuSafe.

Burkhart 01:39

So we were business partners before and this software development company. And then he left to start this idea because his dad was the safety leader over about 1000 people. And it kind of really put together this idea that we can use the types of technologies we’re building for other people to build something to help people in the safety world like his dad. And we just can maintain talking and just realize that we really enjoy working together. But I saw an opportunity as he did for me to be able to apply some of the things that I’ve learned to help other people to help move MākuSafe forward. So it was an exciting opportunity to work with him and some other familiar faces, but ultimately just love establishing relationships and finding ways to make every employee’s workday better, safer and use technology in an interesting way to help solve those kinds of problems.

Kilger 02:23

Well, yeah, that’s that’s the dream, right? Everyone’s going home safe at night. That’s the goal always is. So it’s great that you guys are kind of using the technology to upgrade because you guys do manufacturing kind of across the board, right. But to kind of make that kind of feel a little safer than it is because well, it’s it hasn’t always been. So it’s nice to see you guys do that.

Kilger 02:45

Can you tell me a little bit more about that MākuSafe system? What exactly does it do to anyone not clear who’s listening? It’s wearable technology. So it’s a little bit different than some of the other safety systems you might have seen in play before.

Burkhart 02:57

So we have a guy that works with us name is Shawn, he I don’t know if he planned this. I don’t know if this was intentional. But he cleverly described this to somebody as digital PPE, which I thought was a really interesting way to frame that because it helps connect something that we know two different things that we know, and to one thing we’ve never seen put together before. So if I had to summarize what we’re doing with our wearable technology, it’s individualizing safety. So if you’re imagining that immediate environment around each individual employee, what are they experiencing environmentally? What are they experiencing from the physical nature of the work that they’re doing, and giving safety leaders and management the opportunity to identify where amongst our people and where within our facilities? Are there risks? Or are there opportunities?

Burkhart 03:39

And how do we use leading indicator data to really get specific on where we should focus efforts. So when they’re having employees utilize our technology, it’s passively gathering this information, there’s nothing that an employee has to do, it’s not an additional task for them or maintenance thing for them to have to worry about. They can simply put this armband on with the device that we’ve created and go about their day as they always would. But during that it’s sensing that environment around them, you’re in an area that has elevated air quality issues, you’re in an area right now that has elevated potential for heat, stress, heat illness, and not necessarily requiring the employee to do anything about it. But sending notifications when those environments exist so that safety leaders and supervisors can go in real time and look at that environment, get an understanding of what’s going on, have the conversations that result in being able to make positive changes, both environmentally and with the work people are doing.

Burkhart 04:33

So yeah, like you said, ultimately, our goal is to send people home safely every single day. And there we all probably can think of a story, hopefully not something directly, but people we know that really probably could have gone home safer or healthier or at all. Fortunately, in some cases and using technology not to react to the next time it happens but to help that first person not to have to go through that experience.

Kilger 04:55

Yeah, it’s great. So it must have quite a few sensors in there if it’s kind of detecting all those ambient conditions right? What all does it detect?

Burkhart 05:03

Sure. That is one of the things that was really been a differentiator for us is that it’s not just an ergonomic thing. It’s not just an air quality thing or not just a sound dosage thing. It’s a lot of things in what we’re trying to help. And what we are helping people do is see that whole story, what’s the whole picture? So when we’re looking at environmental issues, we’re looking at air quality, co2, TVOCs, we’re looking at it’s got a full dosimeter on board. So we’re looking at sound across seven different octaves, and looking at light levels, looking at temperature, humidity, air pressure, a lot of different things that we would basically summarize the saying the same stuff that industrial hygienists look at, we’re not trying to replace them. industrial hygienists are really talented people that serve a really great purpose.

Burkhart 05:43

What we’re trying to do is give, again, the leading indicator data that says this areas were worthy of a deeper dive. This is where you should spend some time trying to understand spend some focus, have some conversation, and you can see the patterns and trends over time that in this area, that facility, there’s a pattern, there’s a cycle to how the environmental is behave and the environment people are working in, there’s a pattern to the physical nature of the work people are doing. So in addition to environmental, we’re also looking at potentially hazardous levels of motion. So there’s a three axis accelerometer inside this looking at motion and all three axes, looking for force coupled with motion. So where are people doing motions with enough force, that over time, that could be a cumulative trauma type of injury? So a musculoskeletal issue things like torn shoulders, pulled backs, things like that, and how do we see that happen?

Burkhart 06:32

And then in conjunction with that, it’s also looking at because it’s an accelerometer, slips, trips and falls, so it can tell a safety leader in real time, hey, Steven just had a slip, he’s in the packaging area, here’s what I know about all of the environmental stuff around him at the time that happened. So sometimes we see you as a slip was not just a slip, it’s an isolated thing. Oftentimes, it could be a slip happened, because humidity was elevated, so that the whole picture is not just the motion, it’s also the environmental when this happened, what kind of environment were they in, when it happened? And is there a pattern or a frequency to the ways these things are happening so that we can make some changes, make some adjustments and improve the environment and reduce the likelihood that this happens?

Kilger 07:11

I mean, all that sounds great. And having being a person who’s been in quite a few grain elevators, and feed, manufacturing, like there are a lot of different areas, you can assume you test one area for dust quality, or air quality, and then the rest of the place is the same because they’re all separated by big slabs of concrete on different floors. And things can be really different. So it makes sense. To me, this sounds like a great product for our industry, how do you feel it would fit for the grain handling and feed manufacturing industry? I mean, must be okay, because you did do a presentation about it at this Jeeps exchange? Yeah, and

Burkhart 07:47

We do have grain elevators and processing clients as well. So that’s ultimately what led us to be involved in the jeeps conference, because we had seen successes already with people in those industries, you went right to manufacturing, which was that was the origin of the idea of how we would apply. What we didn’t anticipate was all the other ways people would find creative uses for what we’re doing. So we didn’t necessarily set out to be a grain processing solution, but it totally works. And we’ve seen great responses, and some incredible insights. As far as you look at a job, you know, on a property, a grain processing property, and you’ve got seven 810 different buildings and people are wondering to and from throughout the day, their environment is indoors, it’s outdoors. It’s the seasonality changes dramatically, especially in the Midwest.

Burkhart 08:33

So how do we know how we can’t possibly say that while I’ve looked at this area, and this area is fine? Yeah, but they were doing a lot of things in other areas throughout the day, or in between these two areas as they were getting to and from places. So it’s not just the area, it’s the individual, what is the individual experiencing? When you think about harvest time comes around, you know, I grew up on a farm. So I’m familiar with, with being you know, hauling things to town, and you’re, you’re alongside loud equipment, you’re allowed alongside or in loud spaces and experiences you’re going through, but what does that accumulate to in the course of the day. So when you when you look at sound, dosage and the leading indicators we can deliver there, we’re able to give safety leaders, supervisors, any any number of people that a company would determine they want to notify a heads up indicator that says, hey, Stevens at 90% of the sound dosage is allowable levels for the day.

Burkhart 09:26

So that’s not saying you’re over that saying you’re 90%, which means there’s still time to do something. And it may just be I need to I need to run out and confirm he’s got the right level of hearing protection on I need to, you know, reinforce, hey, this is why we’re asking for that because you probably don’t even realize how much sound you’re being exposed to. Because it’s not one loud event. This is a cumulative thing. So over the course of the day, and maybe this was different last week, we didn’t have nearly the activity that we did last week. But this week, you’ve got a lot of things going on. You’re working in areas you don’t usually work in spending more time in this area versus that area. And you really don’t have a good gauge of how much you’re being exposed to. And then certainly as you’re hearing, if a student has incurred any damage, your ability to determine if when you’re in a louder environment decreases. So you may think it’s not all that loud, but to somebody who doesn’t have a little bit of hearing damage, they would certainly feel like it is. So just using data in a, you know, objective view of the environment that you’re in to say, This is what the data says you’re actually being exposed to. And it’s not just for the space, this is for us specifically. So I’m going to make sure that we’re doing the right thing for each of our people.

Kilger 10:31

Yeah. And I mean, number one, it’s for the safety of the people, but also, it’s got to help with insurance. And no one wants a workman’s comp claim that could be avoided, because we just talked about spring, right, but summers coming up, and great elevators and feed, facilities get hot, really hot. So just knowing how long and what temperature your employee has been exposed to things, I’m guessing, as someone who’s almost passed out from like, heat exhaustion myself, like, as a as a person, you don’t necessarily know that, but it’s the equipment that the equipment knows how long you’ve been exposed. Right.

Burkhart 11:06

Right. Yeah, that’s a great point. And especially with the season coming up right now is it’s getting warmer, and as OSHA is talking more about the heat illness, and how are you monitoring for that it’s created a lot of new conversations, in a great way that people are really now interested in, how do I know for sure that this is not pushing somebody to the limits? How do I know for sure that I can reinforce why we ask people to take breaks, or you know why we rotate jobs? And just the recognition that pushing through is not always the right answer. Sometimes that’s that’s going to result in a worse outcome.

Burkhart 11:39

So we do partner with a lot of different workers comp insurers just to relationships we’ve built over time. And there’s a big interest in being able to say, what kind of proactive actions are you taking, that could reduce the likelihood of this resulting in a claim. And through our web based dashboard, as these different things happen, near misses happen? notifications of someone getting close to a limit happens, you’re seeing the actions companies can take to prevent that and helping them to put some ROI to that. play that out for a second, if you didn’t have a notification played out if you didn’t see a pattern or trend. And it did result in somebody being injured or worse. What would that have done and being able to put some sort of ROI on being able to take action ahead of time with leading indicators?

Kilger 12:24

Well, even things like with modern technology comes more record keeping. Every agency OSHA wants more record keeping everyone wants more record keeping. And this seems like a great, great place to kind of automatically generate it and be able to see those trends without really impacting people’s day to day lives very much.

Burkhart 12:43

Yeah, I’m glad you mentioned that too. Because that is that is something we recognize we spent, you know, two and a half or three years, just in that research, development, prototyping, testing, you know, confirming, are we able to provide the level of accurate information in the kind of timely basis with this technology in a way that’s scalable, affordable, that kind of magic combination of things. We spent a lot of time there. And as we talked to safety leaders, and we asked them, Where are your limitations, documentation was actually a big one. It wasn’t always in implementing change. It wasn’t always in, you know, having the right conversations, it was I can’t have enough of the conversations because I get so caught up with documenting that I’d never have time to move into the proactive.

Burkhart 13:25

So we recognize that documentation reporting, that kind of thing has to be something that is done almost for the safety leader so that they’re not spending their time trying to get through and make sense of all this information. You know, I think about if I take my car to the mechanic, and he’s it’s making a rattling noise, and he spits out this huge, multi sheet thing of all these data codes and things. And I’m supposed to look at that and make sense of it and know how to fix it. I don’t think so like you have almost have to be a trained data scientist in order to make sense of some of this. So it’s the software that we use that we’ve created, I should say that safety leaders can use that make sense of that for them so that they can look at it and say, how do I actually take action on it to improve it, I don’t want to spend all my time trying to understand it, or comb through it or build my reports. I just want to know, what should I do about it once I know what’s happening.

Burkhart 14:14

So we take data and insights that are being gathered all the time, in real time providing notifications, but also a really robust reporting side of things, so that they can look at this dashboard for just a few minutes a day, and then spend the rest of their time out there working with people making change, making impact, following up on how things are going, understanding what the biggest risks are, and getting people’s input and perspective and buy in on how to make things better. So the dashboard really does a great job and our software development design team has worked really closely taking a lot of feedback from safety leaders on what is it you would want to see to help you to make those kinds of positive changes and designed our dashboard in a way that really makes the important thing stand out and makes things very clear and actionable. Like

Kilger 14:57

You said, I mean, it gives those Do you guys or even middle managers the time to go check on that guy to make sure he has at your protection in because you can see that you have time to do that kind of thing where you want it before that’s, it’s great. This next question is the pie in the sky. But what would you say MākuSafe’s goal is overall?

Burkhart 15:18

Yeah, our goal that MākuSafe is really we derive an awful lot of joy out of the number of people that were able to help avoid the incidences, the accidents that would have happened at work, but ultimately affect their family. So what we try to help our customers celebrate is looking at those positive changes that you’ve made, and put it on a human scale, put it in that perspective, that’s not just an employee. And it’s not just a role within your facility. That’s a that’s a person with a family. And there are positive impacts that you can do at work that have huge implications on them as a family.

Burkhart 15:52

So when we talk about the reporting, and we look at the data that comes through, the only reason we really use that ROI on there, it mean that you have to put $1 amount on it in some way, just to kind of know that the changes you’re making are more than paying for themselves. But we also try to look at and help find those incidents that says, play that out a different way. How might that have happened if you didn’t know about it ahead of time? And what would that have felt like look like? And being able to celebrate those things that says this technology just helped somebody go home to their family the way that they showed up today? And that feels really, really good.

Burkhart 16:24

So the more that we can see those success stories, can we celebrate those and we have our second annual users conference coming up this September. Those are the kinds of things we ask people to bring with them to the table, because we don’t see them all either. This is not about us monitoring somebody else’s stuff. This is about providing a tool that helps them to have better relationships with their employees and amongst the people that they work with.

Burkhart 16:44

So that they can have that kind of trust built, and they can make the positive impacts. But then also make sure those things get shared back so that employees understand that that’s why we’re using this technology, we’re not just using it to benefit, something that the company has as an objective for using it because they care about me going home the way that I came in today. And that feels really, really good. And it’s not an extra burden on the employee. It’s not monitoring, and, you know, micromanaging people, it’s about gathering information that says we as an employer are providing a safe place for employees to work. And the worst work we’re asking them to do is safe for them to do and we can feel good about that. And we can reinforce the things that we’re doing to make positive changes, so that people feel good about working here, and they can continue to do the job they like to do.

Kilger 17:26

I mean, that’s a great feeling for everyone, right? No one wants that day where someone doesn’t go home safe, and how no one wants to have to make that phone call. No one wants to have to do any of that stuff. And as the podcast listeners can’t see it, but you have a MākuSafe on right now it is basically a small what like two inch, two inch by one inch box on a strip.

Burkhart 17:48

That’s that’s pretty accurate. We use. Sometimes we say like a matchbox. But people don’t use matchboxes a whole lot anymore. It’s very small, very lightweight. The biggest compliment I think we get is people accidentally forget to take it off. That’s a great thing. Because one of the things there’s always a stigma with wearables of is it going to be comfortable? Is it going to be cumbersome? And when we hear over and over again that people accidentally were at home or they went to the restaurant for lunch they went out to and somebody goes, Hey, what do you have on your arm there? Oh, but didn’t realize I still had it on I kind of forgot about it. That’s actually the greatest compliment, that it’s that it’s that comfortable and out of the way and not inhibiting in any way that it’s not impeding people’s ability to do their job or the comfort level they have while doing their jobs fully.

Burkhart 18:28

Yeah, fully adjustable, very comfort fitting non slip grip on this nylon expandable band. So there’s a lot of things we’ve done to take the employees comfort into account. But it is just a small little device that slips into an armband. They wear it on their upper arm, that’s always a question as well as can you wear it somewhere else for the way that we spent, you know, 1000s of hours working on the software development, how the sensors gather information, how we’ve calibrated it, how we help safety leaders to have accurate information, we’ve trained this for the way that motion and environmental ZZ are picked up in this upper arm location. It’s also out of the way it’s not potentially covered up by think about somebody wearing it on their belt. If they had a shirt untucked, well, then you’re not getting the right light levels, you’re not getting the right sound levels as being muffled, you’re not getting the same air quality that they’re breathing. So we want to be within 18 inches of their head. And so this is an important place to keep it. But the other feature I’ve not mentioned yet is another reason why we have it on the upper arm and there’s a button in the middle of this device.

Burkhart 19:28

It’s the only piece that an employee actually interacts with because our device does not provide any kind of haptic feedback or beeping or buzzing or flashing lights to the employee. It’s not about asking the employee to discern what’s right or wrong about everything around them. That’s that’s something that the reporting can help with notifications can help with but then one piece an employee can interact with is this button in the middle. This is for leaving a voice memo. So what we learned in all of our time with safety leaders was they don’t get nearly the number of near misses that they know are out there. They get such a small fraction of those and When we talk to employees, what we found was, it’s often with good intention, they just typically forget, or I couldn’t stop what I was doing, or I was new and didn’t realize we were supposed to fill out a form for that. I didn’t know where the forms were for that I wasn’t sure who to talk to. But most often, it was just, I forgot I intended to but I forgot to. And so we said, how do we remove the friction in that process, so that employees can say something when they see something without having to stop what they’re doing. And this button in the middle, they can press and hold and leave up to a 15 second voice memo. So let’s just say I’m walking from, you know, I’m working in a processing building, you know, I’ve got a lot of different things going on lots of different processes.

Burkhart 20:38

I’m, I’m in one corner, and I am, you know, I’m packaging up, you know, containers into boxes, and I’m getting them on pallets and things. That’s my job. But as I’m walking across the facility, I see that the forklift looks like maybe it’s leaking, something doesn’t doesn’t usually have this puddle of something underneath it. I don’t use the forklift, I don’t know who to tell about it. I’m not sure whose responsibility it is. But I know it doesn’t look right, and doesn’t seem like it should be that way. So all I have to do as an employee, is I can press and hold this button, and lead up to a 15 second voice memo. And all I can say is, hey, over by the packaging area, the forklift appears like it’s leaking, something needs to be looked at. I think that’s it. So in the next 20 seconds or so, because everything that we’re doing is real time relayed that memo is going to go to whoever has been designated to receive those safety managers, maybe it’s a supervisor of a certain group of people that I fall into.

Burkhart 21:28

So my supervisor would receive that. And they can both listen to the audio recording of me saying this, but it also text transcribes it. So I may be in a meeting, I may be in a loud spot as a supervisor, and I can’t hear the audio piece, but I can read it and say, Is this urgent? Or is this a suggestion somebody had, and I can get this on to somebody else like maintenance to go take a look at that item. So all we’re asking our employees to do is just all you got to do is just if you see something, see something that’s not quite right, or that could be better, just share that let let us figure out what needs to be done about it. That’s not your responsibility. We’re just asking you to help us be the eyes and ears from from the frontlines because you know your job better than anybody else does. And if something’s not right, it can be better. We want to, we want you to apply that expertise. And just let us know. I’ve talked

Kilger 22:09

I’ve talked to safety directors too before and they when that is one of the key problems, right is getting employees to engage and participate with these small things like filling out a report or leaving a memo or something like that. And so the easier the better. So he sold me, I’m ready. I’m Joe Schmoe elevator owner, I’m ready to implement make you say, what do I do? So rollout go?

Burkhart 22:31

Sure. We tried to make sure that we’re taking all the heavy lifting. So we don’t put a lot of things back on our customer, we try to make sure we’re doing all of that. Every time that we go to bring a new customer on board, we we start by assigning an account manager on our team that’s going to get to know them very, very well. They’re going to understand what are the goals that the company is working toward? What are the challenges that they’ve had, they’re trying to overcome or understand and get to know the types of roles, the types of work that are done, and what’s important to them. So that we can really not make this something that people are doing in addition to what they’re already trying to do.

Burkhart 23:04

But utilize this technology as the means by which they accomplish, the goals they’re aiming for and the challenges they’re trying to overcome. So if we can understand that, and tie that together and make sure that we’re helping them to get the reporting setup to show how this is helping with those things, that that makes everything smoother. So we really started off by sending an account manager start the relationship off by getting to know them very well. We identify the best couple of sites to start with different locations to install, we get a few things up front to your floor plan the list of employees that will be able to utilize this. And who needs access to this dashboard. So that really when we come out, it’s as simple as putting a few screws in the wall hanging this will be called the base station, essentially the kiosk or the docking station, hang that on the wall and plug it in, it already knows how to connect to the network, it already has all the employees in the system, they can start using it immediately.

Burkhart 23:57

So it’s really only a few hours to get set up and running. And the entire dashboard is accessible to them right away. And because it’s web based, there’s no software to install, nothing for the you know, a customer’s IT team to have to maintain or take on. We take care of maintaining all that stuff. So it’s really not a burden on anybody’s internal team to have to take on an extra project or dedicate someone to understanding the ins and outs of a hardware system. We take care of all that for them so that they can spend again, their time working with people taking the insights that they’re getting, taking the data and the reporting that shows them what they’re really trying to accomplish and spend their time implementing making positive changes, and not spend our time trying to understand another software system or you know how to how to maintain and operate a hardware that they’re new to. So it’s really it’s really about getting them to be actionable just as soon

Kilger 24:48

as possible. Excellent. And you’ve mentioned a few times employee responses to but do employees respond pretty well to this system? I imagine once you explain what it is and what it’s for. I mean, I would hope that people would be happy to to

Burkhart 25:00

participate? Sure, yeah, I would say I’ve been into a lot of different facilities and a lot of different industries. And it’s the same five questions every time. It’s just the human response to wearable technology, because it is a little bit on the newer end of things. However, there are certain wearable technologies people have already gotten comfortable with on a personal level, like my Apple Watch here, you know, I’m getting, I immediately was curious, what information is gathering who can see it? What do I have control over it? And when people have those kinds of questions, it’s a very natural thing. But communication and transparency is always the answer. And I think that’s true for most change that people go through. So our account managers that we assign to be dedicated to our clients, they also are very, very good about the structured onboarding, onboarding process that we have.

Burkhart 25:48

So that we can help create that change management in a very smooth way. And we can help them facilitate the communications, the information to share, when we come out and do an install to get somebody set up, we come out and do it, we’re not just going to mail it to somebody expect them to do it, we will come out and do it. But we also stand alongside the safety leaders and we talked about the information that is collected information is not collected nothing that’s HIPAA related, not it’s not a constant tracking idea, the only time location is ever used is when someone has experienced a high force motion on their body, or when when their environment when other environmental is is not within healthy tolerances, that’s when and the location is really not down to the edge. It’s take the floorplan of their facility, and we map it out as they talk about it. So when someone says, Hey, this is an incident that happened in building to everyone knows what you’re talking about, somebody says packaging, everyone knows what we’re talking about. So we’re looking for departmentally, location wise, where are things happening. And so when we talk to people, employees about the degree of specificity that we’re helping companies to get this information on, we’re also showing them how we’re being respectful of employee privacy.

Burkhart 26:58

So we’ve really been careful. And recognizing that a certain level of information is useful to employers, and a certain level of information is also comforting for employees to know it’s not intrusive to them. And all of the sensors on onboard our device are outward looking. So this is really about that environment around employee, not what’s happening internally. Nothing biometric we’re not we’re not trying to judge people’s internal health here. We’re trying to judge, what does an employer have the ability to improve as far as the environment that they’re asking people to work in? And the type of work they’re asking people to do? And are there things within the employers control that they can do to make those things better?

Kilger 27:34

I mean, that’s really how you have to do it. Be honest. Right. And I mean, I personally think that, you know, wearable technology is going to be the future is going to continue to evolve. What do you think it’s gonna become more commonplace in the workplace, but more common in the workplace?

Burkhart 27:51

Right, I think I think it is, it definitely is already begun to make such a big impact. And the more often that we encounter, people who have already tried, some sort of wearable is increasing.

Burkhart 28:02

So we’re getting fewer and fewer people who have never heard of wearable people who have never tried wearable technology, it’s oftentimes about finding the right wearable technology that gives the information and the helpful insights that you’re looking forward to make those positive changes. I definitely agree and have as much of an objective view as this can be taken that Wearable technology is definitely going to be a major player and how companies are making those decisions on how to monitor or alter the environments or the work people are doing in their facilities.

Burkhart 28:37

So that they can be proactive, and they can feel like they’ve got their risks understood, or the opportunities opened up so that they can make those, again, positive changes, but also the things that help them develop a better safety culture and have better relationships and more transparency with the people that work there. And yeah, I think the more that we see that, the more it just confirms that we’re heading further and further in that direction. And and then beyond that, it’s it’s what you choose to do with it.

Kilger 29:03

Well, everyone makes sure you check out to MākuSafe system. Their website has great videos and tons of product information that you can kind of get a base feel of and I mean, I’m sure they would be happy to talk to you.

Burkhart 29:17

Yeah, there’s a contact form on our site too. Then, if you’d like anyone would like to set up a just a demo to see how this technology works, to ask questions, to see the dashboard of information that’s collected and what it looks like as it comes through, which is also something we show employees do is they want to know, all this information is being collected, what does that look like when it comes through? How are you going to use it. And that’s something we’re always happy to demo for anybody who wants to see that we can walk them through the dashboard. This is what it looks like when it comes in. This is how it’s easily understood. And this is the way that you can derive action items from it. So happy to do that use the contact form on our site. And we’ll we’ll be in touch to set up a time to do a kind of a personal walkthrough.

Kilger 29:56

Excellent. And the link to that site will be down in the show notes that you check out And I want to thank Brett for taking the time to talk to us today. It’s great and I’m really glad to see technology like this going into the feed and grain industries.

Burkhart 30:10

Steven, thanks so much for the invite. It was wonderful that you reached out and so glad to help spread the news on how wearable technology can make. make lives better for a lot of different people.

Kilger 30:19

Well, thanks for listening everyone, and we’ll see you next time.

— Steven Kilger